by Oli Anderson, Transformational Coach for Realness
Creative Status is a podcast about using creativity as a vehicle for improving your life by deconstructing ego, integrating the shadow self, and designing and manifesting a real life.
Every episode explores how the creative process can help you GROW REAL by moving towards wholeness in yourself by making the unconscious conscious.
In today’s episode of Creative Status, I have a conversation with artist, author, and energy worker Saskia Rose, about channelling, frequency, and the creative journey of growing real.
This was a really fun episode as Saskia is such a chilled and fun person. These qualities came into full effect as we traversed a DIALOGUE from a point of disagreement – and even a little bit of cynicism on my part – to a place of realness and common ground through creative exploration.
Ultimately, this episode is an deep dive into some of the ways that ideas, archetypes, and inspiration can come to us on the creative journey and how all we really need to do to get where we’re going is to ask the right QUESTIONS.
As long as we don’t block our access to the answers that are already inside us (because we’re always connected to the whole/realness) then we we usually get exactly what we need.
As always, this comes down to learning to TRUST the process, give up control, and learn to flow with life instead of forcing it through ego and what we think we already know.
Check out this episode if you want to gain a new perspective on you creative intuition or if you just want some food for thought!
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Thanks a bunch,
Oli
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Show Transcript: Becoming One With Mickey Mouse
Intro
Hi there, Oli Anderson here, you’re listening to Creative Status. This is a podcast about using your creativity to improve your life by growing more real. If you don’t know, I’m a creative performance coach and author who focuses on this kind of helping us to basically figure out what is real, what’s not, and to help us understand the benefits of aligning ourselves with the real stuff rather than the unreal.
That’s the whole theme of the podcast, using the creative process to do that. Today’s interview is with Saskia Rosa Hartman. She’s an author and an energy worker and an artist who basically has a really interesting conversation with me about channeling.
Saskia is really cool because I don’t necessarily see things the same way that she does and vice versa, but we managed to turn this into a kind of dialogue and find some common ground which led us to the same place. That’s the really interesting thing I found when you focus on reality instead of your interpretations. It’s like that story that you’ve probably heard me say before, if you’ve listened to podcasts before, about the blind men and the elephants. The idea that there’s an elephant and there’s all these blind guys standing around it, they’re each holding a different piece of the elephant. One’s holding the leg and he says this is a tree trunk, the other’s holding the tail, he says this is a snake, etc. They’re all holding different parts of the elephant and they start arguing about their interpretations.
That’s what’s going on in life. We’re all arguing about different interpretations of the same thing where the thing, if you can call it a thing, the truth is the same for all of us. It’s not a fashionable view because we’re supposed to believe in my reality and your reality and blah blah blah, but when we say that we’re just talking about interpretations.
My interpretation, your interpretation, where do these interpretations come from? Well, it’s our experience and our emotional stuff. Anyway, me and Saskia had totally different interpretations about how certain things work. She likes to channel things and that is part of her creative process.
I don’t necessarily think that, you know, there are entities out there trying to communicate with us, but the truth of what she’s saying is totally valid when you break it down and you look at it in relation to human experience. So this was a great conversation for me because I learned some stuff. Saskia, thank you so much for being patient with me, I guess, as I asked you these questions and was maybe even a little bit cynical in places about some of this stuff. I think it led us to an amazing place. To everyone who’s listening, there’s some good stuff in here.
Mickey Mouse makes an appearance as well, so I hope you get some value. Thanks for listening. Saskia, thanks for your time. Here we go. Boom.
Interview
Oli Anderson: Oh, hi there. Saskia, thank you so much for joining me on today’s episode of Creative Status. I feel like this is going to be one of those conversations that goes all over the place and that could lead to somewhere totally unexpected. But before I start asking you questions, do you feel like introducing yourself, telling people what you do, what you’re all about and what you want to get out of this conversation today as well?
Saskia Rose: Thank you, Oli, for letting me be here. I’m so happy that it finally worked. Oh, I know it. Yes. Yes, my name is Saskia and I feel, well, I’ve felt driven to write a book which has been completely channeled and so it hasn’t been me who has written this book. Yes, and I would like to talk about channeling today.
Oli Anderson: Okay, well, that sounds simple enough. So let’s get right into it because channeling is one of these things where obviously there’s a lot of questions people might have. There’s a lot of skepticism, I guess to some extent.
There’s a lot of people online channeling all kinds of things all over the place. Let’s start with the basic basics. So what is your book about? First of all, should we start with that?
Saskia Rose: It’s about the new world that is coming and why there’s so much chaos at the moment all over the world because the old is breaking up and the new is coming in and everything and everyone is just chaotic and not sure.
Oli Anderson: Like I can totally relate to that. It seems like the world is kind of falling to pieces a little bit. Like maybe people have always felt this way but it does seem like I don’t know people are becoming more unreal than ever before. Disconnected from their humanity and everyone’s got mental health issues and there’s wars going on all over the place and blah blah blah. So how did this idea for the book come to you?
I know it was channeled but what happened? You were just walking down the road one day or something and then this idea popped into your brain and you’re like, I have to write this book. Can you tell me about the process a little bit?
Like how it came to you in the first play?
Saskia Rose: Well, I don’t know. I think I just got the information to do it. I just got the impulse.
Oli Anderson: Yeah, okay. Can you remember exactly when it happened though?
Saskia Rose: And yes, those channelings happened in winter 21 and 22.
Oli Anderson: What’s the difference between channeling and just kind of having some kind of intuition I guess or some kind of an impulse that arises from the unconscious and is trying to get your attention so it becomes a conscious thing. Is there a difference?Okay, so what is it? Like how is it different?
Saskia Rose: I feel the impulses are just shorter and the channelings they come really in words. It’s not just ideas and meanings and yeah, it’s really words that are spoken through me which are not mine.
Oli: So do you know whose words they are or is that a mystery?
Saskia: Yes, I almost often asked for it. In the beginning I asked for, I asked a question an information question and then I have those energies speaking through me and then in the end I asked who has spoken and yeah, they are not so into answering because it’s not important out there and everyone here has different thoughts about different energies. So there are some people that laugh at Angel Michael for example and others who hate angels and Christ and things like this. So yeah, they don’t really, those energies don’t really laugh to tell who they are. Yes, but you can say, you can feel it.
Oli: Yeah, so when I’ve written like a few books and when I’ve been writing them, I’ve kind of gotten into this kind of flow state where the words just kind of come pouring out and it’s a very fluid kind of process. Like I don’t really have to put that much effort into it and when I get in that state, I always think that it’s basically because I managed to get my conscious mind, my ego out of the way and it’s like I tap into like a, I guess a higher version of myself.
Like when I’m writing, it’s almost as though I am tapping into a certain energy but that energy is like the purest form of my energy, if that makes sense. I always think it’s like me being my most real and then somehow I can just get into a state where the words end up on the page as a kind of interplay between what’s going on inside me and what’s going on outside, if that makes sense. It sounds like what you’re talking about is totally different to that.
Like ultimately there are, you said angels or like even like, you know, higher beings or areas, they’re out there somewhere and they connect to certain people so they can allow certain messages to be expressed through them. Is that right?
Saskia: Yes, but I think your process is kind of turning to your purest self. Yeah, maybe some call it higher self. Do you think it’s the same?
Oli: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think, like the whole point of this podcast is that we all have a connection to wholeness, a connection to realness, source, god, blah blah blah, whatever people want to call it, we all have a connection to that always and the only thing ultimately that stops us from being connected or being aware of that connection is our relationship with ourselves and I think the creative process allows us to experience who we really are in those moments of wholeness because we put ourselves in some kind of a situation whether we’re writing a book or I don’t know even doing a yoga session or painting a picture or whatever it is, we put ourselves purely, purely in the present moment and in the present moment we can only be that higher version of ourselves or whatever word we want to use.
But I think, you know, there’s an extra level maybe that, you know, a lot of people are kind of cynical around it and to be honest, I’m, I still have questions like when people talk about channeling and things like that, sometimes I just think, well, okay, is this just the unconscious mind trying to express itself in a way where it makes it easier for people to feel a sense of control over it because in the unconscious mind, there’s the shadow self, there’s all kinds of things that we may not want to face.
And so I think if people sometimes, you know, they hear it through the voice of an angel or through Jesus Christ or wherever it is, it allows them to face certain things or certain views of the world that they might have. So for example, if you know, your book is about the new world is coming in and blah, blah, blah, feeling, I’m not saying this is what’s happening, but feeling it through the messages being told to us by angels or something, maybe it makes it easier to deal with.
But then at the same time, like I know there’s the collective unconscious and I’ve had moments where I’ve experienced things from that, I think, so moments of synchronicity and things like that. So it makes me think, okay, is there really something more going on? So what do you think about that? I guess before I ask you more questions, because basically I’ve been very cynical right now.
Saskia: About what?
Oli: About the channeling and everything, like, how do you know that, you know, it is an angel or whatever and that it’s not just your unconscious trying to tell you things and using certain archetypes, I guess, and symbols as a way of allowing you to feel it in a more comfortable way or something like that. If you don’t mind me just being so blunt.
Saskia: Yeah, I hope I can explain it. But we are finally everything. We are everything. So everything is a part of me. Those shadow parts and unconscious parts as well as higher angel parts as well.
Oli: So are the angels that you’ve experienced when you channel their things, are they separate from you? Because now is like a lot of the time when people are channeling, they’ll act like it’s a totally separate entity that is communicating to them from, you know, the ether, wherever.
But if everything is connected in wholeness, it seems like what you’re saying is there are certain entities that we are connected to at all times. And because everything is ultimately connected and everything is just one big relationship, having a relationship with itself, however.
And so at certain times in our lives, because of certain creative drives that we have or whatever, we can connect to certain, we can acknowledge our connection to certain things more than others, something like that.
Sorry. So a lot of the time, like there are so many people on Instagram, right? They, for example, they do these videos where they’re channeling some message from some higher, so also areas, they close their eyes and they start kind of vibrating and moving around and stuff. And then these messages just kind of come out and they say that, you know, okay, this is the Virgin Mary or this is some Egyptian goddess or whatever it is.
And it’s almost as though that entity is a separate thing. But if I understand what you’re saying, it’s not actually a separate thing. It’s a, I don’t know, it’s got some kind of soul connection or whatever people call it because ultimately everything just is one.
But some people are closer to some of these archetypes or these beings or whatever people want to see than others. This is what I’m saying. I don’t even know if I make sense anymore right now. I understand. You, your question is if some are closer than others.
Saskia: Yeah, I guess so. Something.
Um, finally no, because we, I believe we are all everything, all of us. And of course you can do your daily yoga and eat only green veggies. And so it’s, it’s easier maybe to stay in, in your, in your, yeah, how do you call it? In your connection with yourself.
Yeah. If you don’t eat fast food and, and watch TV all day long, so you disconnect from yourself. So maybe it’s, maybe it’s easier for those who, who try to be connected to themselves through media, daily meditation and so on.
But finally we all have the possibility to connect. Yeah. To everything that is. Yeah. Because we are everything and not, yeah.
And it is at the same time out there as it is inside of us. Yeah. Yeah.
Oli: Okay. So that actually just kind of makes sense because ultimately what’s real is I always say is beyond any sense of duality. So like inner and outer, near and far, like all of those are just kind of concepts that we use to make sense of life. And I think in our natural state, we are all connected to wholeness all of the time.
We’re all connected to reality all of the time. But it’s the way that we think about life and the way that we identify with our bodies or with the world and the concepts that we pick up that help us make sense of life. It’s the way that we identify with all that stuff. This stops us from being aligned with our true nature. So what you’re saying basically is that the natural state of a human being is to be able to, I guess, be connected to or to be able to receive these messages from life itself. And I guess also is life isn’t just about what’s going on on planet Earth. There may be some other kind of sphere of being that we don’t know about.
But because everything is connected to everything, even though we can’t see it, it’s kind of there. Something like that. Is that right?
Saskia: Yes.
Oli: So when you got the inspiration for your book, like the impulse popped up and this being that you were able to channel, started giving you messages, telling you what to write, whatever it was. Why do you think it shows you, if that makes sense?
Was it because you’re doing yoga every day and eating your greens? Is there something else? Like is it your life experience or something? Yeah, it’s just the intention, finally. That’s all. Your intention?
Saskia: Yes. And you can do it. Just give out this intention. I want to channel.
Oli: Yeah. Like actually I was thinking about this quite recently. Like I wanted to channel Mickey Mouse.
Saskia; Yes, you can do.
Oli: Like I don’t know why. I just thought that would be an interesting experiment. Because Mickey Mouse is like an idea.
Saskia: Yeah. But it has a soul because we gave it all of us.
Oli: Yes. People have invested so much in Mickey Mouse. And I wanted to see if it was possible to like tune in to that energy.
Saskia: I’m sure it’s possible. Yeah.
Oli: Well after this podcast, I think I’m gonna do that today. Hey Pluto, let’s play. Okay, so all we need is the intention is what you’ll say.
How do we use this then?
Saksia: And the belief.
Oli: The belief, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Because obviously we don’t have the belief. I guess it’s gonna close it down. That’s why I think Mickey Mouse is a good starting point for me. Because I believe in Mickey Mouse.
But I don’t know about like angels and all that stuff. How can we use this in a practical way? So let’s say somebody listening to a show has, I don’t know, they have certain problems in their life. Like maybe they’re feeling a bit anxious or stuck or depressed or whatever.
Maybe they just, they are creative person and they want to do some more creative work. But they’ve, I don’t know, they’ve hit a block or a brick wall or something. How can they start setting intentions in the way that you’re talking about to circumvent the ego stuff, I guess, and start creating something, you know, in this fluid way where things are coming to us instead of us trying to grasp at them? If that makes sense.
Saskia: Yeah. The intention here to me would be I give up control and give this control up to my guides or to whoever out there wants to speak through me and give me a solution. And of course, this are finally parts of yourself, but higher parts of yourself.
Well, I actually, if people don’t believe in angels and beings and all this other stuff, would this technique still work? Because that’s…
Saskia: Yes, of course.
Oli: Yeah. Like one of the themes of this podcast is that, okay, if we want to be more creative, which is real, because we’re all creative, if we want to tap into our natural birthright, let’s say, I’ve been a creative being and integrating all the parts of ourselves and moving towards wholeness and acceptance and blah, blah, blah, all the things to talk about. What we need to do ultimately is give up control because the ego, the false identity we’ve picked up that stops us from being creative and real in our way. The ego is an illusion that we have created in an attempt to force life through our will. And a lot of the time our will isn’t even real anyway.
But anyway, by living in that egotistical way, we hold ourselves back ironically from everything that we want, which is this connection to wholeness and freedom that comes with it and all that stuff. So channeling in this way that you’re talking about is actually just a shortcut to giving up control. And maybe it’s going to allow some people to talk to God or whoever. Maybe it’s going to allow some people to talk to their higher selves. At the end of the day, actually, it doesn’t even matter who they are talking to you.
Yeah, like all that really matters is that they’re getting out of their head and they’ve been open to the wisdom that is in them or their connection to that wisdom from however they want to conceptualize it as being sourced.
So if that’s true, can you walk us through the process? Like how do we do it? So let’s say I want to, I’m going to finish this podcast recording. I’m going to go channel Mickey Mouse to try and solve some of my problems in life. Like maybe I want to be more creative. I need to write another book.
I’ve been undecided about what my next book should be about. How can I channel Mickey Mouse to do that? If that’s not, you know, I’m not taking the piss or anything. Like how could I do that in a kind of realistic way?
Saskia: Well, yes, of course, you can ask directly for Mickey Mouse, but I would, if I was you, just ask for someone who could, who can solve your problem. And if it’s Mickey Mouse in the end, it’s good.
If it’s somebody else, you know.
Oli: Yeah, actually, yeah, that makes sense. Because me asking for Mickey Mouse, that’s actually me trying to control the situation.
Saskia: Yes, but you can still ask for Mickey Mouse. It’s possible too.
Oli: Yeah. But I think now I’ve realized I have an emotional attachment to Mickey Mouse, which is, it’s part of the problem. Because actually, by being attached to the channel in Mickey Mouse, I’m doing two things.
One, I’m trying to control the situation, which is going to control the answers that I get, which is a way of avoiding the uncertainty in the truth. Because actually, the only truth that can change my life has no connection to anything that I already think I know, not really, because it’s going to break me through the old plans.
But two, by asking for Mickey Mouse, I’m kind of, I’m making a mockery in a way of the whole channeling thing, even though I, even though I do know that it’s just a technique for tapping into the unconscious so I can make it conscious. So the best way to do it, if I understand you, is to have no expectations whatsoever, to just sit down. Is it like a meditation when you do it?
Saskia: Yes, I sit down and bring myself into a focus, very focused, but as well at the same time, relaxed today. And then all you’ve done at that stage, when you get into the relaxed state, is you’ve set your intention that you’re going to get some guidance from whoever, and it could be anyone. And then that’s it, you just wait for it, and then it just kind of, yes, it just arises, it just pops up. It arises, and normally the people just listen to this wisdom and in channeling, you let it speak, you use your throat as well. Yeah, so literal words, come on. Yeah, and you don’t, you try to not control these words.
Oli Yeah, yeah. And the more you are in trance, the more they flow. It makes sense. So basically it is the creative process that you’re talking about. So your ego gets out of the way, you’re not stopping the words from saying what they need to say.
And it’s just the natural flow of the unconscious becoming conscious or in the deeper sense the collective unconscious becoming unconscious and then conscious, ultimately. Do you write things down or do you just remember it?
Saskia: No, I film myself during this process and after I write it. This on your YouTube channel?
Oli: You got YouTube channel right?
Saskia: Yeah, but not out of this note.
Oli: What is your YouTube channel? Just so people know?
Saskia: Saskia Rosa Hartmann.
Oli: Very good. I’ll share that in the show notes so people can see it.
Okay, so you set the intention. You get into this very relaxed state where I guess you’re feeling very real and then things just kind of emerge and then you end up with the answers that you need or the wisdom that you need, the creative direction that you need to go in in the case of your book. Is there anything that people need to be aware of?
Because I suppose this is just a hypothesis, right? Like if you set the intention to get guidance from anybody or anything that may happen to be out there, is it possible that you’re going to get guidance from the darker sides of yourself? Or what some people are going to call demons or whatever? How do you avoid this process traumatizing you or giving you negative experiences? Although some of those negative experiences, I guess they can help you.
Saskia: With your heart. You feel this energy and you feel if it speaks for something good or not. And if it doesn’t, you just throw it out. This is important too that you stay the master in there. It’s not the energies taken over you. It’s you who decide.
Oli: So how do you do that? Is it like when you’re meditating and there’s the whole thing, there’s the observer and the observed. So when you’re in a meditative state, you’re super relaxed but your thoughts are kind of floating by. The analogy people always use is like you’re looking at the sky and your thoughts are just the clouds passing by.
Is it the same thing with these channeled experiences that you get? So you’re observing it but you’re not necessarily connected to it. So you’re still aware basically. It’s not like you don’t have awareness or consciousness.
Saskia: Well I put myself into this relaxed state and there I send out my question. And then I have the answer coming in and the frequency of the answer. And then at this moment I’m focused. My body is in this trend state but my head inside my head is very focused. It seems like it’s just a little bit of my head and there’s nothing floating by. It’s just focused on this answer.
Oli: So you’re totally present basically. Are you connected to what people call sauce or wholeness or whatever? Sometimes I think when you get in this place where you’re really flowing with the creative process, you’re not connected to yourself as an individual. You step out of independence and you’re in to a state of interdependence.
You’re connected to everything like we said a few times but in that place of wholeness, this is going to sound very pretentious. It’s kind of beyond time and space and cause and effect. It’s just a place where… I don’t know how to describe it. A place of union.
Do you know what I mean? And in that place of union, that’s where all the answers are. It’s the only place where anything can come from. So actually it sounds like what you’re saying. You put yourself in this relaxed state and you get out of your head and blah blah blah. Then you put yourself into the sauce and inside you just pick out the answers that you need at that time because they’re all there. So you go into the…
Saskia: I let them come. I don’t pick them.
Oli: Oh okay. The sauce is like a river or something.
They’re just kind of floating down there and you put yourself in the place where they can float to you.
So we understand the process. Can you tell us about your book? So obviously your book came to you through this process, right? Yes. You didn’t think you were going to write a book, I guess?
Saskia: No.
Oli: And then, I don’t know, you must have had some kind of a question or something. And then you sat down, you put yourself in the state and then the answer came to you in the form of a book. Is that right? And if it is right, what questions did your book answer for you?
Saskia: Yeah. Already in the beginning, the chapters came just by itself. They brought me the chapters, the whole what it is all about and the structure of the book.
Everything is channelled. I didn’t do any work. And then later I asked to go deeper into those chapters because it was not enough for me personally.
Oli: So the original chapters, when they popped up, did they pop up as the response to a question? Or did they just pop up?
Saskia: They just pop up.
Oli: Wow. So do you think that makes it more real in a way?
Saskia: Yes. And then I’ve heard about numbers and the importance of numbers. And then I asked myself, I wonder how many chapters my book has. And I counted them and it was nine. And nine is, yeah, to me it’s a number of completeness and of the end of a circle.
Oli: Okay. So as nine chapters, you got the whole structure, all of that stuff just appeared to you.
That wasn’t because you were asking questions. It’s almost as though the world, not the world, because the world is a real life, the universe or God or source, whatever word we’re going to use. Something decided that you were ready to write this book.
Saskia: Yes. Maybe I wanted to know what the new word is about. I guess I wanted to know this.
Oli: Yeah. I think that’s what I’m getting at. Maybe unconsciously.
Saskia: Yes.
Oli: You were asking questions.
Saskia: Surely. Yeah.
Oli: It must have been the answer to a question, right? So this is my thing again. Is it just the unconscious between conscious? Who knows?
It doesn’t really matter. But if you look at your life and the way that you were before you started writing the book, how do you see the world? Do you look at the world and you think, oh my God, everything is just awful?
Saskia: No.
Oli: Social media is so empty. I don’t know. I guess what I’m saying is, how did the arrival of these chapters in your life answer some of these unconscious questions you might have had about where the world is going? And I guess on a slightly deeper level, maybe, why were you asking these questions in the first place? Do you think, like, why did you have these questions about where is the world going?
Saskia: Well, I’m super curious. And I thought, yeah, if I, because I learned how to channel, I learned it. Someone taught me how to do it. And I thought, yes, now if I can just ask every question, I’m going to ask this one. I guess I did this.
Oli: Yeah. But what I guess what I’m saying is, what do you think drove that question?
Like, these are all just examples, right? But was it because you had a fear of what the world might end up being like? Was it because you had love for other human beings and you wanted to help them? Or, I don’t know, I was literally just curiousity. Like, what’s going to happen in the future? Why did you have those questions?
I know that’s a weird question, but what I’m trying to do, I’m trying to see if there’s a link between what was going on inside you and then the stuff that you were able to channel.
Saskia: Well, now after this book, I don’t have any security anymore about this new. I don’t have any fears. I don’t, maybe not even now, when everywhere is chaos.
It is, everything is good and everything is even wanted and everything has a reason.
Oli: Wow. Yeah. Yeah, so it gave you peace basically. Okay, that’s really interesting because I think the true creative projects that arise in our lives are always moving us towards wholeness. And when we move towards wholeness, we always end up feeling peace because in the whole, that’s the only thing that you can have.
Like, you transcend dualistic thinking and all that stuff. You’re not afraid of judgment anymore. You might not even fear death. You just think, okay, this is the way life is and I accept it.
That’s the final lesson.
So in a way, this book came to you for whatever reason, like who knows, to give you that peace, like to give you a stronger foundation, like you’re saying. To make you more real. So what is the message of the book? Like maybe we need to talk about that a bit more, just to give you even more context.
Like what are the nine chapters, if you don’t mind sharing? Like what’s the main message of the book? What’s the main lessons that we can take from it? What does it tell us about the world and where it’s going?
Saskia: It tells us about love, about joy and the importance of joy and slow, the importance of flow and the infinite return here.
Oli: What’s the name of the book?
Saskia: It’s ‘Manifesto for New Earth’.
Oli: Sorry, so yeah, so it manifests itself in your earth and it’s about joy and peace and all these things. What does it tell us to do?
Saskia: Community.
Oli: Does it tell us how to achieve those things?
Saskia: Yes.
Oli: Like what do we need to do according to the book and the channel message? Like what do we need to do to reach this new earth?
Saskia: Yeah, we have to follow this nine chapters. We don’t have to follow them, but we have to laugh, we have to be in joy. How do we come and laugh and how do we come and enjoy and how do we come and flow? But the most important is to let it flow, I guess.
Oli: So what are the main lessons there?
Saskia: The main lesson is to let it flow.
Oli: Well, ultimately, the main theme of this podcast is that if we can go with the creative urges that we have, then we end up flowing with life towards wholeness and the natural unfolding towards wholeness that is always taking place.
Instead of trying to force things and being stuck, old ways of thinking, old ways of being ruled by emotions like we can let fade if we can just trust life and all that kind of stuff. So I guess what I’m saying is what have you learned about flowing from the process of flowing into being able to write the book? Because actually, if you couldn’t flow, the book wouldn’t exist. But also, what’s the message in the book about how to do that? Like how can we get into the flow?
Saskia: Basically, yeah.
Oli: How can we do it?
Saskia: Well, I don’t remember the exact words, but yeah, just go away from this flow. Just let it flow. Just don’t hold onto any situation, any person. Don’t any past or anything and decide in every moment which frequency you want to live now.
You can decide every moment and then let go and then decide the next moment in you.
Oli: Yeah. So it’s about a choice. Yeah. And what stops people making that choice anyway, would you say? Because I totally agree with you. It’s that simple. We make the choice to trust life and to choose wholeness over fragmentation and flowing over forcing and all that stuff. We make that choice and the only thing we need to do when we make that choice is exactly what you said.
Let go of all of the illusions that stop us from being in the present moment anyway. And it sounds so simple, but it’s actually one of the hardest things for people to do. It’s the thing that causes the most misery for people, I would say, because when they don’t make that choice, it brings friction to their lives. That friction turns to frustration and more that they cling to the things that they want to let go of but can’t.
And then eventually it turns to misery. And even that like me and you, we see things, it seems, in very different ways, but the lesson is exactly the same. Yes. Which is the same. Like what’s real is real.
Exactly the same. Let go of anything that’s not real and then just get into this natural process of flowing with life, trusting life, knowing that the answers will come, whether it’s from your higher self or from wherever else, it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter.
The truth is the truth and however it comes to you, it’s going to come no matter what. So why do you think so many people struggle to let go and to trust and to, I guess, align themselves with their nature?
Saskia: Because they are attached to their past and to their surroundings and families and friends and work and what they are. Yeah. It’s their identity.
Oli: Yeah, identity. That’s the only problem, I think.
Saskia: Yeah. And I would like to add one thing. Why I put those energy out of myself?
Why I call them higher energies and not parts of my unknown is because then I can bring those messages with more confidence.
Oli: Yeah.
Saskia: If not, it’s my ego that says, well, but you are not worth it. You are not that perfect, you know, but we are all.And if I give it out this responsibility for those messages to those energies out of myself, which is finally the same outside and inside, but if I put it out, there’s my ego not coming in and telling me, well, you are not worth it.
You’re not good enough. I just let them speak.
Oli: You know, that’s kind of what I was trying to say a bit earlier. Like I think a lot of the time when people are channeling things, it’s they’re saying what they really, really think, but there’s that detachment from it because it’s, you know, it’s coming from an archetype or some other entity or whatever it is. Like take the Mickey Mouse thing, right?
Like maybe I have some really controversial opinions. If I go online and make a video and I say, I don’t know, we’re all going to die one day, but that’s fine because you’re all bastards or something like that. That’s controversial. But if I say, I was speaking to Mickey Mouse and Mickey Mouse said, you’re all bastards and you’re going to die with it. Like it is keeping me safe.
It’s the same message, but I’m delivering it in a way where I’m sharing my truth, but I’m kind of detached from it if that makes sense. So is there another level where channeled truths are, it is what I was saying, I guess, like they’re showing us what our shadow is really thinking and what’s going on in there, but it’s bringing it out in a way that is more easily manageable or something like that.
Saskia: Yes, but here it is our light shadow. What I mean is our light golden shadows, let’s speak, that we put out as well.
This is Archangel, I don’t know, whoever, but because I’m not good enough, this is the golden shadow. That’s why we split it off. Those messages.
Oli: Yeah. A lot of the time when it comes to shadow work and stuff like that, we’ll see that we’ve disowned parts of ourselves, good parts, bad parts, so it could be anger, love, joy, a connection to God or the truth or whatever. All of these things are in our shadow and the only way that we can integrate them is to just accept them and to become one with them.
So for example, if we realize that we have some anger buried deep down there in our shadow, there’s no point in trying to change the shape of the anger or to change the form of the anger or to refine it so that it looks like something else. The only way we can work with it is to just accept it as it is and then we get this solid foundation for deciding what we’re going to do with it.
Awareness, acceptance and action, right? But it’s the same in a way with the channeled entities. So let’s say Mickey Mouse pops up in my experience one day and he starts saying all these things. The only way that I can truly integrate that message is to become one with Mickey Mouse. Do you know what I mean? It sounds strange but to realize that that expression of Mickey Mouse is actually an expression of me maybe.
Saskia: Yes.
Oli: And the things I’ve been hiding from myself. And so if I say, you know, I’m channeling Mickey Mouse and it’s not me saying this is Mickey Mouse, that is the first step to becoming aware of what I really think.
But only if I merge with Mickey Mouse in this example, am I really getting that solid foundation of integrating my shadow and becoming more real overall so that I can start building the life that I really want. Is that right? Like is that how you see it? That’s how I think I see.
Saskia: Yes. That’s why I say it’s finally me. It’s finally, everything is finally one.
Oli: Wow. Yeah. That’s what, yeah.
Saskia: That’s more easy to me to accept that this is me.
Oli: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Saskia: Well, I guess not every we all have blind spots.
Oli: Yeah. It’s a process. It’s a process.
I think at first, like these entities and beings pop up is a kind of dissociation maybe like it’s showing us the frequencies to use your language, the frequencies that we’ve been denying that we need to start bringing into our lives to feel more complete. And we can listen to the messages and everything. But at the end of the day, it’s what we said.
Like it doesn’t matter where the information is coming from. But there are certain things that we all need to face that are going to take us more closely into the truth. And only if we do that, can we put ourselves on the path towards our nature or to wholeness and to being real in the way that, you know, I love to rant and rave about on this podcast. So Saskia, this has been a very interesting conversation.
And I think I’ve learned something here about channeling Mickey Mouse in particular. I need, I’m going to start doing more yoga than I already do. And I’m going to eat more greens. So this has been a very interesting conversation for me. Have you got any final words of wisdom to sum this up?
Like what’s the main lesson in this podcast episode, I guess? And can you also tell people where they can find you? So you mentioned your YouTube channel, but if you’ve got a website and all that kind of stuff, can you let people know what it is?
Saskia: Yes. I think the final message that comes to me is that we are everything and we are not, we are not only every shadow there is, we are as well every golden shadow and we don’t need any teacher or something. We have all inside of us, everything. We don’t need any Buddha outside or Jesus. We are everything inside and we can connect to this frequency inside of us.
We can decide to be this frequency whenever we want to. Yeah. The answers are inside everyone. Yeah.
No matter how they show up, we all have that connection to the truth. Yes.
Oli: Yeah. Awesome. And what’s your YouTube channel again?
Where can people find you? YouTube is Saskia Rosa Hartmann.
Saskia: Yes. And then my internet, my website is srh-artenergy .com. Perfect. Well, I will share that in the show notes. Thank you, Oli. Thank you for this conversation.
Oli: Thank you too. I’m so happy we finally managed to do it because we had a lot of technical problems. You know, it’s an achievement. So thank you so much.
Saskia: It wasn’t the right moment. But now it was.
Oli: Yes. We are both more real now because of this. So thank you. Thank you.
Saskia: Thank you, Oli. Ciao.
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